German firearms are loaded with a variety of markings and stamps. The pistol itself looks like it started out of a commercial luger since their was no chamber date, the take down lever and side plates 2-digit serial #'s were stamped beneath, and the serial number is a 4-digit one. Interestingly, that is maybe why the upper brass stud was added to the subject cut-back unidentified maker Artillery holster, simply to allow the cleaning rod cover flap to close over the cleaning rod handle, as the cover flap secured to the lower brass stud is clearly stressed, even without an inserted cleaning rod and definitely could not close with an inserted cleaning rod. They're not Nazi at all, just Imperial German. One of just 1,000 made, it includes Cyrillic safety markings and crossed Mosin Nagant rifle engravings (Photos: RIA). Bie der Reubearbeitung des Kap. 1908/13 five-digit s/n commercial-military-police Luger. The standard 6 barrel is marked Germany on the underside. At this moment I believe that these had no toggle markings - a remaining lot of the 'Riff' contract. The first pictured example of a multiple conversion of an artillery to police holster conversion was done to a 1918 dated Dingeldey & Werres-Berlin artillery holster. (May indicate manufacture or rework.) The balance of the change involved adding a cover flap brass stud to effect closure, utilizing the original LP.08 holster body up-strap and it is certain in this first conversion that the holster rear leather shoulder strap stock block was retained. According to the Standard Catalog of Luger by Davis the meaning of this marking is unknown. The post WW2 German Railway system apparently still required police protection as evidenced by the subject pictured FN Browning M1922 7.65 mm pistol, stamped, interestingly, Bahnpolizei (Railway Police) U.S. Other than the TBLAP published information that Pictured together for comparison are a Police cleaning rod with a brass stopper and a navy cleaning rod. When reworking the chap. During the last war-winter, its members were the worse terrorists of all against their Danish countrymen. Most of them are out of date: on the other hand, so many regulations have been added recently that it would be difficult for the novice to find out the right thing. Regimental Marking [Revised Edition] by Jeff Noll, P.O. Below, a muzzle protector is shown attached to a Mauser Oberndorf Luger, s.n. Hierdurch werden die jungen Polizeibeamten vor neue Uufgaben bgestellt, die sich um so schwieriger erweisen, als die neue Polizei nicht nur die Gesahren politischer und wirtschastlicher Kmpse abwehren, sondern vor allem ihrer eigentlichen frheren Tatigfeit zugesuhrt werden foll. that the Schutzpolizei had a military character. Thanks for the help. The instruction manual is pictured and other interesting details are described in. There is no doubt as to what variation of Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector was used in conjunction with the new 1920s police cleaning rod with brass stopper with, at least, one Weimar era police station as evidenced in Weimar Lugers,1993 page 183, figure 47c by J. Wissen ist Macht, das gilt fr jeden, der im ffentlichen Leben steht und vorwrstsstrebt, besonders aber fr die Polizeibeamten, da ihn sein Beruf tglich und stundlich in engste Berhrung mit der Bevlterung bringt. The side cover and the left high edge has mild wear. Kommando der B. Landespolizei=Command of the B. Schutzpolizei (municipal police), Police Pictured is a brown leather 1929 dated Gustav Reinhardt Berlin police holster with a Weimar era Sunburst K police inspection stamp and marked L. Sch.137. Thanks. officially discontinued. and discussed in The Borchardt & Luger Automatic Pistols 2010 & 2011 by Grtz/Sturgess in Volume III, C19 Accessories, pages 1332-1333. NowThis holster displays three distinct branches of service either real or fake. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 10 ----------------------------------------------------------. The first 1920s Weimar era police Luger holster of new manufacture to be recognized as such is not manufacture marked is a black dyed leather, full cover flap with a holster body attached, pear-shaped up-strap secured to the cover flap without a keeper via the leather slit and brass stud method. The new Freistaat Preuen style eagle was adopted as the emblem of the Preuen Schutzpolizei, (Prussian Protection Police) and the Preuen Kommunalpolizei, (Prussian Local/Municipal Police) and was utilized on their belt buckles. Choose whether you want the sealed, opened box, or the marking stamp. Joachim Grtz in Die Pistole 08 2004, determined, which somewhat supports the above, earlier conclusion in Weimar Lugers, where on page 239 Grtz basically stated that: The police cleaning rod with the brass stop is unsuitable for carrying with the holster. locking the two-piece assembly in place. Many combinations of eagles and numbers are noted. It does however have a small chip on the left pistol grip above the magazine release button and the magazine does not match (blue body, aluminum base "+" spare with "2" and w suffix) The dealer wants $1,200 firm but not sure if that is fair price. Pictured is a brown leather 1935 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with an eagle over circled K police inspection stamp and P08 pistol issue number or serial number 7307; view 1, The IMKK, Inter-Alliierte Militaer-Kontroll-Kommission (Inter-Allied 31. ad[7]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/Marna.jpg'; Post Serial number stamped on the back corner 9436. J. rural police groups: The Einwohnerwehr was a paramilitary police force formed by The E/WaAJL16 is, by all accounts to date, similar to, or a variation of, the acceptance stamp for Factory Guard/Werkschutz issue. These considerations must form the basis for the training of the police officer. The conclusion being is that the modification, if indeed done for the reason described, was an ill-conceived, poorly thought out exercise that didnt work out, and that the special Police cleaning rod with added brass stopper, as stated by some Luger authors, was never intended to be carried in a cut-back Artillery to Police holster, with the subject holster being the sole published example so modified. May be blued from 1923. This rare M1908 Commercial Army P.08 variation is described in great detail on page 25, Figure 18 of Imperial Lugers 1991 by J. Regarding the S. H.133. It has the matching last two digits of the serial number in the various other parts. (non-P08) Pistols & Holsters. (Schutzpolizei Berlin) 12022 Xd. MAUSER 1942 BANNER POLICE EAGLE L LUGER RIG - Z52521 9mm Luger; 95% blue, excellent bore, very good grips, 4"'' barrel, Bright original finish with light scratches. steel rod with brass muzzle stop for 4-inch barrel P.08 Luger pistols with by Poot 06 May 2016, 07:54, Post The lower of the two (brass) studs is not an original German stud. Pictured is a black leather 1935 dated Franz Cobau Berlin holster with an circled K police inspection stamp and P08 pistol issue number S.P.R. The Germans used the letter "J" instead of "I" quite often to avoid confusion with the number "1." regulations issued in 1922, and are shown in the following table. Nickle plated (1900-1908) or tin plated (1908-1945). Additionally, based on The police officer is therefore faced with the varied expenses. 3 days Left DWM 1914 MILITARY UNIT MARKED LUGER SEMI-AUTO. a 1920s chamber stamped commercial P.08 Luger, The third is a late 1920s sear bar and magazine safety, German acceptance stamped E/WaA66 Police Luger s/n 4559t. Poulin 2015 Auction, Bahnschutz holster, front view only, LUGER POLICE P-08 MAGAZINE. It is not Receiver proof, some 1920 Military and Police Lugers. is described in great detail on page 25, Figure 18, see page 137 of Eugene Bender's "Luger Holsters & Accessories" for a similarly marked holster, RIA 2013 Paul Goldner RBD Halle holster, sold for $3133, Poulin 2015 Auction, Bahnschutz holster, front view only, eBay Auction, 1933 Paul Goldner Halle a. S. holster, RIA 2018, Bahnschutz RBD Halle S holster offering, Luger Holsters & Their Accs., P137 Bahnschutz holster, M. Morris, This association is not supported by any distinguishing markings different from any other, later style, purportedly Magdeburg Depot rework Mg10 Stick Wing eagle stamps have been identified on the rear frame of P08 Lugers, Weimar eagle style E/Mg10 stampings of the 41 dated WwMg/41 and E/Mg10 P08 holsters, a stand-alone E/Mg10 Nazi Swastika stamping on a 1933 dated Robert Larsen Weimar era Police holster, two 1933 Robert Larsen Police holsters with and without the E/Mg10 eagle, an eagle over circled Nazi Swastika police inspection stamp, a unique eagle over circled Nazi Swastika police B inspection stamp, Only two are identified in publications and only partial pictures, made of impregnated pressed paper and is pictured in TPLAP, V3, page 1245 Fig. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 12 ----------------------------------------------------------, Pictured is an exceptional example of one such Police officer private purchase, unmarked and unmodified Weimar era Police clamshell dress bayonet. It should be noted that the World of Lugers Proof Marks 1977 by S. Constanzo, page 108 pictured E/Mg10 eagle is a different style from the subject E/Mg10 eagle. I. German Police Forces during the Weimar Era, [This information is lifted almost verbatim from Weimar and Early 19-105, being offered by a noted dealer for an equally extremely rare four-digit price, Possibly post-WW2 East Germany DDR Police holster. links[9]='http://www.cashicollection.com'; Holster front view pictured with P.08. The holster front is stamped L.Z.A. The matching serial number is marked on the barrel extension, front of the frame and bottom of the barrel with the partial number "33 on most small parts including the inside of each grip panel. Rock Island Auctions has over 100 Lugers at their upcoming Premier Auction in May including carbines and artillery models and rare pistols meant for Persian, American, and Russian markets. Has been dyed black long ago. S.B.13.435 - Berlin unit 13 - Pistole s/n 9140e. In regard to Police manuals, this language change is first noted in a 1941 Police manual versus the apparent last use of the Fraktur font in a 1940 police manual. This is division marked WW3009=Wilhelmshaven Dockyard gun #3009 on the back strap. It might be that a few H.P. By Bade, 16 April , 2021 in Arms and other weapons. 9mm Luger Caliber. Although, common to both cut-back Artillery holsters featured herein, as originally made, was the inability to close the cleaning rod pouch/sleeve cover flap over a fully inserted Police cleaning rod without modifications, being the addition of a second, higher located brass stud on the subject example 1 unidentified maker cut-back Artillery to Police holster cleaning rod pouch/sleeve and the necessity of adding a section of leather, attached above the original cover flap location to the example 2, 1915 P. Braunleder Cln cut-back Artillery to Police holster cleaning rod pouch/sleeve cover flap. On the rear cover the books contents are further described as: Der amtliche Leitfaden fr preuische Polizeibeamte or The official guide for Prussian police officers. -techn. The subject WaAJL16 stamped Police style holster is the first one of two noted examples with the second WaAJL16 stamped holster being a P.08 Army style holster which has generated much collector speculation and opining. While the vast majority of Landjgerei-marked Lugers are 29 DWMs as noted, there is a small percentage of dated Imperial-era Lugers with these markings. Borchardt C93 - produced 1893-1902. View First Unread . Note: Black scabbard & frog is city. Mauser Sneak Police. A round buckle for Officers ranks and a box buckle for NCOs ranks utilizing the Freistaat Preuen eagle and are believed to have been introduced in 1921 and were utilized until 1936. unmarked commercial Police style holsters have been identified. It is, therefore, hard to imagine that the lower positioned brass stud, affixed to the original cleaning rod pouch/sleeve, despite its thicker base, is a replacement of non-German origin. This book contains English translations of the actual regulations issued by the German authorities from the Imperial and Weimar eras, and is an invaluable source of information about the often obscure markings found on German weapons and equipment until 1937 For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Berlin government dissolved the Einwohnerwehr. by Igorak89 07 May 2016, 13:15, Post He who lives by the sword, should train with it frequently. Pictured is a Police Luger with chain and connected brush in barrel. Opening the loading tool cover flap reveals the original brown leather. Pictured is a brown leather 1935 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with a TP or Technische Polizeischule property stamp and P08 pistol issue number or serial number 7691;view 1, view 2 and view 3. Army, Navy, Police, The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. The actual marking is likely WaAJt18. Made in Germany and completely lead free. Faint illegible ink stamp inside the flap (Zeitz?). ad[1]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/Cash1.jpg'; Pictured is an example featured in Weimar Lugers by J Still, 1993, Pictured is a German manufactured commercial holster, original pistol model unknown, converted to accept a P.08 Luger pistol by modifying the holster body entrance. There are several markings on the holster. $2,535.00 Compare ERFURT 1918 MILITARY - D13019 Stay in the know. The magazine has a blued tube and aluminum base. Pictured are multiple views of the above mentioned 1908/13 Commercial-Army-Police P.08 Luger, s/n 69859. states the following regarding this variation. Occasionally, one encounters a scaled-down, high quality Weimar era Police bayonet, which were private purchase by Police officers, of which these are considered to be "Dress" items. 1644 of the 49th centuria within II command, Dusseldorf (S.D. 4. Pictured is a 4mm; excellent bore, 5'' barrel insert for Luger pistols chambered in .30 Luger (7.65mm Parabellum) with loading tool; view 1, view 2, view 3. $500. regulations issued in 1932, and are shown in the following table. It is interesting that the well-known Luger dealer that sold the Sturgess cut-back LP.08 holster had to be aware of the cleaning rod issue as the text description, while generally describes the changes to the holster cleaning rod pouch, tactfully avoids the obvious fact that a police cleaning rod with a brass stopper will not fit. Weimar Police photos of what looks to be all NCO personnel with ordinary belt buckles. As always, I'm not responsible for any inaccuracies in the data, just for Take care and thanks for the quick response. 3 Arming Weimar Germany, including Weimar Police Lugers, the Sear Safety, the Magazine Safety, profiles of Weimar Police Lugers, Police holsters, Police Magazines and Police tools & miscellaneous. Still and as illustrated in a very rare 1930s Walther advertising brochure titled: WALTHER POLIZEI-PISTOLEN PP / PPK und ihre Handhabung and an equally rare 1936 Walther PP/PPK 50 year commemorative flyer. With his permission, I have posted it below. empire and the Prussian constitution have already seen some important additions: further laws are expected in the near future. Pictured is a black leather 1936 dated Franz Cobau Berlin holster with a TP or Technische Polizeischule property stamp; view 1, view 2 and view 3. The L.Z.A. For my database of police markings, could you tell me the serial number of this pistol and whether or not it has sear and/or mag safeties? Allenstein district. (A fairly common occurrence.) the police cleaning rod was used in conjunction with a Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector attached to the P.08 sight band/block, many collectors and dealers are not I 1924 titled Verkehrsposten der Schutzpolizei or Traffic posts of the security police. which clearly shows an early Weimar era police officer with a rare belt loop variation of a cut-back artillery holster with closed toe, full cover flap with an up-strap and brass stud closure. Goertz and D. Bryans, Walsworth Publishing Co., Marceline MO, USA, 1997. German manufactured commercial holster, original pistol model unknown, as identified by ink stampings located on the inside cover flap, WALTHER POLIZEI-PISTOLEN PP / PPK und ihre Handhabung, an equally rare 1936 Walther PP/PPK 50 year commemorative flyer. Chapter 4 3rd Reich Police Lugers Chapter 5 DDR Deutsche Volkspolizei (People's Police) Lugers a complete catalog of Police Luger Markings The book has . Many changes have occurred from the area of the state =, police = and criminal law. Pictured is a period photograph of three Nazi Police officers with round Gott mit uns marked belt buckles with the Police officers on the left and right side with black leather belts and the center Police officer with a white colored belt. Estimated Price: $ 8,500 - $ 14,000 Price Realized: Outstanding World War II Nazi 1941 Dated Single Digit Serial Number 3y Mauser Banner Eagle/L Police Luger Semi-Automatic Pistol with Two Matching Magazines and 1941 Dated Police Holster Manufacturer: Mauser Model: P08 Type: Pistol Gauge: 9 mm Luger Barrel: 3 7/8 inch round Finish: blue German military and police units, one can sometimes derive some Come join the discussion about the history, technology and extraordinary background associated with these design masterpieces. The other marking is an inspection stamp, consisting of a crown over a 'fraktur,' or letter. My thanks go to all those who took the time and thought to participate in the discussion, and provided pictures and information for the survey. As you see - new evidence produces mostly new questions. Description. not the case with the subject bayonet with original Weimar era matching accountability numbers. Caliber 7.65mm - 4.75" barrel. I have several lugers and Broomhandles with the "HZaJt18" marking on them. Thread Tools: Display Modes The American, British and French allies in concert with Germany restructured the western Berlin Police to reflect the western democracies as illustrated by the then leader of the free world; another picture. The subject pictured, aftermarket LOB Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector, stamped on the flat with P08 and a stick wing Nazi proof is a different variation from the ERMA stamped muzzle protector pictured on page 174, Figure 28b of Third Reich Lugers. be a very rare, late date for a second conversion of a WW1 artillery holster to a P.08 style, police unit marked holster. Come join the discussion about the history, technology and extraordinary background associated with these design masterpieces. Pictured is a brown leather example with regulation holster body attached holster body spare magazine pouch with up-strap and cover flap keeper slit and steel stud closure. Est price: $3,750 $5,500. Still further states: Reportedly, muzzle protectors were issued with some Prussian State Police Lugers. The base forms of the unit marks for this police force are contained in Many of its members (for example Luger Extractor Marks Luger Safety Marks Luger Magazine Marks Light sheet steel body with crimped edges. Thus, unit marks give one some history about the items on which Each state (Pomerania, Prussia, Silesia, etc.) rotating clockwise the short collar section, about 270 degrees by 1) rotating the threaded, knurled All Rights Reserved, Lugers! Pictured is an (officers) Upper Silesian "Landespolizei" buckle. 355. The HZA stampings are described by Costanzo as being found on P.08 Lugers issued to security guards of military installations only, with no mention of the WaAJL16 being marked on P.08 style Police holsters. The Borchardt & Luger Automatic Pistols book publications picture and describe cut-back artillery Luger holsters as specifically modified for police Luger carry, there are no Luger book published, period pictures of German Police with a cut-back artillery Luger holster, nor with any standard, non-police P.08 type Luger holster. that the item was issued to. $500. violations of the Treaty of Versailles by the German police. Is wird daher fr alle Polizeibeamten, die mit dem Inhalt des Buches vertraut sind, ein leichtes sein, sich auch in der vorliegenden Reubearbeitung ohne Schwierigteit zurechtzusinden. Despite the fact that both Weimar Lugers and Individual cases are put together and explained in a practical way using many examples. RIA 2013 Paul Goldner RBD Halle holster, sold for $3133, 355. had 96 or 98 mm long barrels, and also only the 7.65 mm caliber. 127; view 1, There is no Police tool in the holster. They appear to fall into two categories: P08s that always were P08s and P08s that were formerly unmarked Landjgerei LP08s (many 1918 DWM LP08s) that were reworked by the PTV in 1929-30 and reissued as P08s to the Landjgerei and other police. Luger wooden box cleaning kit The German purpose about HIPO was clear: To help Gestapo as a Danish helping-police. It was one of 1,000 purchased by the U.S. A complete discussion of Clearly identified on the facing edge holster spine is a period artillery Luger cleaning rod pouch with brass stud and leather slit cover flap. My reference book (The Standard Catalog of Luger by Aarron Davis, page 103) shows the eagle with PTV over it. It is also pictured as part of a police grouping consisting a period 1928 dated Police manual titled: 1928 Nr.7,1 Vorschrift fr die Waffenausbildung der Shutzpolizei or 1928 Nr.7,1 Regulations for the weapons training of the Police and an excellent condition example of the earliest new manufacture, pre-1925 first pattern, Weimar era Police Luger holster along with a 1929 Police Luger, rear gripstrap marked L.W.58 (Landjgerei Wiesbaden, weapon number 58) with original, unmodified magazine and sear safety and an extremely rare circa 1930s Prussian State Schutzpolizei Police Nickel Silver or Maillechort belt buckle marked FREISTAAT PREUSSEN or Free State of Prussia. Pictured are two views of a 1933 dated A. FISCHER BERLIN C.2, sunburst (1929-36) stamped police holster, issue or pistol serial number 38. He does not mention if the pistols had been serialized at that time; if so these might have had serial numbers in the 's' block (Dwight might be helpful here). Best, Pat He who lives by the sword, should train with it frequently. What is unclear is the status of the Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector, which was meant to be used with the new police cleaning rods, as there is no mention as to what provisions were made regarding how or where they were carried/stored? The first set of letters on the line indicate the military or police unit The blade was shortened from 17 inches to 13 inches. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Borchardt-Luger - produced 1895-1896. There are at least two examples, as of this writing of a cut-back artillery Luger holster, where there is no doubt that a multiple conversion was done for, and specifically assigned to, and marked by the German Police. As to whether any police Lugers were used in caliber 7.65 mm is uncertain, however, one example pictured in Luger Variations by Harry Jones 1959, page 291 titled: 1920 POLICE WITH CHAMBER MARKINGS with the claim that during police service the Sear Safety Luger was chambered for the 7.65 m/m cartridge. 19-216). It is interesting to note that in TBLAP, VIII, C19, page 1266 Sturgess states the following: regarding the police cleaning rods: For this purpose, the precincts held the long cleaning rods, similar to the navy P.04 pattern, onto which a brass travel stop was soldered, used in conjunction with the Mndungsschoner (muzzle protector), which was too bulky to fit into any holster (cleaning rod sleeve) compartment and in any case served no purpose if carried on patrol. Sturgess in TBLAP also states that the new police cleaning rods were issued to each police pistol, further stating in the Fig. the 1915 P. Braunleder Cln cut-back Artillery to Police holster, fully inserted in the original, unmodified cleaning rod pouch/sleeve, a cover flap modified by adding a section of leather, allowing the cover flap to completely close over the seven ring wooden barrel Police cleaning rod handle, that is maybe why the upper brass stud was added to the subject cut-back unidentified maker Artillery holster, simply to allow the cleaning rod cover flap to close over the cleaning rod handle, the cover flap secured to the lower brass stud is clearly stressed, even without an inserted cleaning rod and definitely could not close with an inserted cleaning rod, being the addition of a second, higher located brass stud, the necessity of adding a section of leather, attached above the original cover flap location. This legitimate variation 1 muzzle protector, as of this writing, has been known of for more than 40 years, being the first published picture of a muzzle protector, appearing in Luger by J. Walter 1977 on page 149 described as: This device is often claimed to be part of a sub-calibre barrel insert, or even a Luger Grenade Launcher: in fact, it is simply a muzzle bush to support the cleaning rod, and thus minimize wear on the rifling. Pictured is a brown leather 1934 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with a Weimar era Sunburst L police inspection stamp and P08 pistol issue number or serial number 6710; view 1 and view 2. Command of maintenance/supply section, Wirtschaftsamt by Igorak89 09 May 2016, 18:58, Post 45aand 30. Der Polizeibeamte seiht sich daher den vielseitigen Uusgaben gegenberstehen. Das geistige Rstzeug fr seine Umtsausbung muss er so vllig besitzen, das ser jederzeit das Rechte trifft. This was naturally discontinued with the dissolution of the 46 of these got executed in the years 1946-50 by firing squadrons of the Danish police. Pictured are multiple views of the four brass studs and their dimensions used with the subject holster. and Band II or Volume II published in 1921 Weimar Germany with the cover title: Das Lehrbuch fr die Polizeischulen or The textbook for the police schools. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 9 ----------------------------------------------------------. Several Weimar Era Police pictures that show the box or rectangular shape belt buckles have been identified, yet veryfew examples of a Police Officer or group wearing a FREISTAAT German Army. The first pictured example of a multiple conversion of an artillery to police holster conversion. 19-130 text caption: A post-WW1 new manufactured police issue cleaning rod with soft-soldered stop for use with the Mndungsschoner for the P.08.These were issued to the police on a scale of one per pistol.Many of these rods will be police unit marked on the shaft between handle and muzzle stop. links[7]='https://www.marnamilitaria.com'; Pictured below are several Police Training and Instruction manuals dating from 1921 through 1949. A remaining question: who changed the 7.65mm barrels into 9mm barrels? 2. This example is a very rare 1943 dated military contract piece in 9mm, one of just 300 produced that year. Ordnance Department in August 1901 for troop trials with the U.S. Cavalry, Match it with this DWM Model 1900 American Eagle Luger, DWM Model 1902 Luger Semi-Automatic Carbine Rig. Only two are identified in publications and only partial pictures. Brown (dyed black) leather marked, "MORD HURST/KIEL/SATTLER" on the back (very faintly) Navy style markings "eagle/M" underneath.. Note the non-standard vertical location of added metal belt buckle and strap/keeper cover flap holster vs. the regulation positioned and angled location of These numbers were accountability numbers and were assigned to the policeman that carried the bayonet, as it remained the property of the issuing city. The base forms of the unit marks for this police force are contained in For more info on 1926 Forest Police manual, click, For more detailed information on the 1930s Aux Police manual, click, For more information on the 1937 Vorschrift manual, click. Since the Germans used the FN M1922 during WW2 it is curious that the 1950s U.S. All P-08 Military Lugers. (he Americans actually did the same thing as most American Regiments did not have a "I" Company, but skipped from "H" Company to "J" Company) Constanzo got this one completely wrong, and the marking is definitely from the late '30's not '20s, and please disregard nonsense about the building # assignments. Edward Tinker. What magazine variation is proper for your Luger P.08? Also, recently in Strafrecht (Criminal Law) z. L. significant upheavals took place. This rare leather S.K.g 715 holster by Otto Stuertz Allenstein is in excellent condition. The chamber marking represent the military contract year of production and this example is a 1918 dated Luger. 19-172 text caption. During the Weimar Era, German police power remained decentralized. In Strafrecht ( criminal law short collar section, Wirtschaftsamt by Igorak89 07 police luger markings 2016, 13:15, Post 30! Issued in 1922, and are shown in the following regarding this variation Navy, police, the Fora includes! 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